Mods you'd love to see?
- Thread starter DaleJrFan95
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Yes, rFactor isn't the greatest for big oval racing, but short tracks a mile or less it is actually quite good, the dirt racing is more realistic because you can turn right to go left, to go faster. NR2003 will be my first choice for NASCAR racing until something comes out that is better or it just won't run with newer operating systems.
No-CD patches do not change the source code/sim engine/physics of the sim, they just allow you to make the sim overlook checking for the disk. Back when the no-cd patches first came out when you ran on-line you could hook up to the Papy servers without issues and race against guys who were still using the original exe. The fact they've been around since mid-2003 and no one has been sued should tell you something. People have been sued for messing with the source code/sim engine/physics.
You can still connect any EXE to any EXE , even the modded once. NOCD = EXE without disk checking lines. It is an altered EXE at last tho. Any EXE that is NOT IDENTICAL to original is altered. Lines of code has been removed from it.
Before HOBO nocd - there was 2 different once. Faitlight - 3.6MB and Razor1911 - 5.4 MB. No one got sued because no one cared to sue anyone.
Physics editor has been around since 2004. Back in those days iRacing was afraid that modded would come up with a "better" product than their game. So the whole "Kill a Modder" thing went on.
As far as the Actual Law Suit - I only know of one. And the guy won on all counts except for one. "Giving out full copy of the game for free along with his mod."
Modifying the way cars feel in game is not illegal. It is equivalent to changing INI TEXT files with notepad. Frankly you can use notepad to edit physics with the editor.
You can drop a different INI text file in your track folder to change how the cars feel. So you can drop a modded EXE in your folder to change the way cars feel.
As long as you are not coming out with "your own" stand alone product made from NR2003.
Dropping a NOCD patch is just the same as dropping MODDED PHYSICS EXE.
As far as the Actual Law Suit - does anybody else know of any other once that actually went on ? I would be super curios to research what went on.
Before HOBO nocd - there was 2 different once. Faitlight - 3.6MB and Razor1911 - 5.4 MB. No one got sued because no one cared to sue anyone.
Physics editor has been around since 2004. Back in those days iRacing was afraid that modded would come up with a "better" product than their game. So the whole "Kill a Modder" thing went on.
As far as the Actual Law Suit - I only know of one. And the guy won on all counts except for one. "Giving out full copy of the game for free along with his mod."
Modifying the way cars feel in game is not illegal. It is equivalent to changing INI TEXT files with notepad. Frankly you can use notepad to edit physics with the editor.
You can drop a different INI text file in your track folder to change how the cars feel. So you can drop a modded EXE in your folder to change the way cars feel.
As long as you are not coming out with "your own" stand alone product made from NR2003.
Dropping a NOCD patch is just the same as dropping MODDED PHYSICS EXE.
As far as the Actual Law Suit - does anybody else know of any other once that actually went on ? I would be super curios to research what went on.
If I must add my last 2 cents please. @psugorilla - "All bets are off"
As far as "All bets are off." - All I heard was. Something expired not too long ago. And iRacing "lost""doesn't have" "whatever" rights to "something-something." Basically NR2003 as a game , they have to let it go as abandon ware ( I know there is no such thing). But let's look up together what expired and what they lost?
What they still have. Is SOURCE CODE. They bought it back in the day. For money. It's THEIRS. They bought their own source code back and they OWN it. Just like you own your Subaru, they own the blue prints for your car.
Now you can , buy, steal , find one at the junkyard... And get your own Subaru. They have no control of it anymore. Then you can make your own parts for this Subaru ( turboes and ect ).
But the day you decide to make your own complete new car using what you know about Subaru. They come knocking on your door. Chop open your "new" car , chop open one of the Subies. Find out they are almost identical. And BAM! The verdict is. "We own your car."
I think what happened is . They don't own NR2003 anymore , they still and forever will own "what makes NR2003".
As far as "All bets are off." - All I heard was. Something expired not too long ago. And iRacing "lost""doesn't have" "whatever" rights to "something-something." Basically NR2003 as a game , they have to let it go as abandon ware ( I know there is no such thing). But let's look up together what expired and what they lost?
What they still have. Is SOURCE CODE. They bought it back in the day. For money. It's THEIRS. They bought their own source code back and they OWN it. Just like you own your Subaru, they own the blue prints for your car.
Now you can , buy, steal , find one at the junkyard... And get your own Subaru. They have no control of it anymore. Then you can make your own parts for this Subaru ( turboes and ect ).
But the day you decide to make your own complete new car using what you know about Subaru. They come knocking on your door. Chop open your "new" car , chop open one of the Subies. Find out they are almost identical. And BAM! The verdict is. "We own your car."
I think what happened is . They don't own NR2003 anymore , they still and forever will own "what makes NR2003".
I have the PRC page of the lawsuit.
You are not completely useless Jimmy.
That is the law suit I am talking about. I do not know of any other once. But considering James' shilling @ss I would love to triple check if there was any other once.
You are not completely useless Jimmy.
That is the law suit I am talking about. I do not know of any other once. But considering James' shilling @ss I would love to triple check if there was any other once.
Welp. JJ loves pheesacs.
On the mod side, I would love to see a 2018 NASCAR mod with a real digital dashboard. It would be a dream come through.
Mods - Cars - Physics - Mods - Mods without physics are just cars. But what are cars without mods?
Digital Dashboard is totally possible for NR2003. There are websites that sell real dashboards for PC and I think NR2003 provides enough live telemetry to run a dash. Plus you know Smiffsdens F1 mod , it has a digital dash already. Someone just has to do it , that's about it. I have no knowledge of any of this stuff. Totally possible tho.
Digital Dashboard is totally possible for NR2003. There are websites that sell real dashboards for PC and I think NR2003 provides enough live telemetry to run a dash. Plus you know Smiffsdens F1 mod , it has a digital dash already. Someone just has to do it , that's about it. I have no knowledge of any of this stuff. Totally possible tho.
right. We can't reverse engineer and claim it as an all new game. But, from my limited understanding, we can now make pretty much any alteration we want provided it's still their basic structure and it is simply released as a mod under nr2k3. And of course, we can't charge for it.
One thing I'd like to do is separate out cup 90 into it's own exe, physics, etc and find the line that tells lapped cars
where to line up and switch them to the outside lane.
Anyways, HIGHBANK is right. We need to get this topic back on track.
That's because no-cd patches don't alter the sim in anyway shape or form, now when Brian Ring was testing his altered exe I was running in two other on-line leagues, I had a separate install for his stuff, one day I forgot and tried to connect on-line with the original exe while running his, guess what, I couldn't join the server.
You guys do nothing but talk circles to make it sound like you're not doing anything wrong, reminds me of my children.
Oh and by the way, I know of four people personally who were sued and I know of 10 others. some have happened in the last 10 years.
I should have quoted the post I replied to, looks like he deleted, guess he didn't know what he was talking about.
First off there was no NR2005, only NASCAR 2003 Racing Season, anything that came out after that that didn't come from Papyrus/Seara isn't official or legal, second what Brian talked about in public was way cut down to what we talked about in private. I got a C&D, Brian got way worse.
Seriously, get your facts straight by either being there, or from the people who were there, not the chatter on the 'net.
First off there was no NR2005, only NASCAR 2003 Racing Season, anything that came out after that that didn't come from Papyrus/Seara isn't official or legal, second what Brian talked about in public was way cut down to what we talked about in private. I got a C&D, Brian got way worse.
Seriously, get your facts straight by either being there, or from the people who were there, not the chatter on the 'net.
Well, Dan, I can tell you that Nr2005 did exist. I actually have a copy of it somewhere on an archive disk. It had modded physics but not the core exe. It ran standalone much like the GTP mod. It got pulled and re-released later with standard physics.
Because it was illegal, that's why it was pulled, come on, you're only dancing around the truth.
No one said the mod wasn't illegal. You said it didn't exist. I'm simply stating the fact that it did.
I'm not dancing around anything. This is an open discussion about what has been done before. Simply talking about possibilities and questioning how to do things is not illegal.
I'm not dancing around anything. This is an open discussion about what has been done before. Simply talking about possibilities and questioning how to do things is not illegal.
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