Opinions of Charter System?

[2pac Shakur]

Hello everyone, as everybody know Ty Dillon suffer a heartbreaking DNQ to the Daytona 500, many people have complaints with this, because a team that have low equipment like Rick Ware Racing have charters for 4 cars, in my opinion i prefer the exempt format used in 2005-2016 because punishment poor performance to even powerhouse teams (like the worst entries of Roush and Hendrick, the 06 and 84 respectively)

 

[Rollo75]

ELI5:
49 starters were in the 2021 24 Hours of Daytona but that same track can not hold 44 starters with smaller warwagons for the 500?

Have I missed something?

In my not very well paid opinion, the big 4 should be open races and subject to a 107% rule; which given that Alex Bowman's pole time of 47.056s would have been set at 50.349 and ironically would have still given us 40 starters.
I like little teams having a go; provided they can make the time.

 

[Cola83]

Teams pay big $$$ to have a charter - So that none of their drivers miss a race. Other than that, That's All I have to say on the subject.

 

[ddrap14]

Honestly, it's a good idea with a few loopholes NASCAR is refusing to close. It's mainly in to prevent say, Matt di Benedetto missing the race if he crashes in quali and then runs bad in the Duels. That would be bad as he's a driver who has the potential to win the race. That is absolutely understandable.

Unfortunately, the current system allows Ryan Preece (who despite his bad year last year, ended up 30th) to be without one while a RWR car 40th in points can.

A simple tweak to fix it would be to give charters to the top 36 cars in points, and then any withdrawing teams can be replaced by new ones or those interested in buying a charter from the open teams.

With that said, this would likely still end up with RWR having at least three charters due to the teams closing down at the end of last year. However, the #96 team would have a charter as they were 31st last year with Suarez, as would the three new entries (#95, #13 close down and #00 would lose the charter). The question would then be if Timmy Hill got enough points for the 66 team to pass a RWR car. (I'm not sure on this as I can't find reliable owner points anywhere).

 

[Rollo75]

The thing is that NASCAR even if it wanted to, couldn't close the system as it is owned by the Race Team Alliance.
They set up a shop; which is kind of like a union.

It is meant to protect their own; by nature.

 

[Rollo75]

Compare the pair:
107% fail.
50.630 53 Joey Gase Rick Ware Racing
50.926 52 Josh Bilicki Rick Ware Racing
99.999 15 Derrike Cope Rick Ware Racing
99.999 62 Noah Gragson Beard Motorsports

Current System:
96 Ty Dillon Gaunt Brothers Racing
13 Garrett Smithley MBM Motorsports
66 Timmy Hill MBM Motorsports
62 Noah Gragson Beard Motorsports

The only one who appears on both lists is Noah Gragson of Beard Motorsports, who set no time in qualifying because of the perverse incentive not to.

 

[MrDude68]

I do have a problem with Rick Ware just making a money farm out of it. All of his cars have been pathetic all week. I hope he will make his team better, but I'm not expecting much.

I wish NASCAR would restore the 43-car field to add some more room for open cars.

 

[DaleTona]

I do have a problem with Rick Ware just making a money farm out of it. All of his cars have been pathetic all week. I hope he will make his team better, but I'm not expecting much.

I wish NASCAR would restore the 43-car field to add some more room for open cars.

I don't even blame Rick Ware. If anything, the fact he has figured out how to game the system to generate profits running 35th every week is impressive. We should be mad at NASCAR for not doing more to close such loopholes or regulate this kind of behavior, Rick Ware is just playing by the rules that the sanctioning body has laid out in front of him.

 

[Rollo75]

I am rewatching the 1982 Bathurst 1000. There are 55 starters. There was also maybe only about 7 cars with any realistic chance of winning.
I say this by way of background because having grown up with watching touring car racing and Formula One where little teams have no real chance of winning anything, I like the privateers. Rick Ware being a privateer is in that same vein. The thing is though, a big race like Bathurst at least had the glory of finishing in the top 10. RWR has never done that in NASCAR.

I just don't understand what RWR gets out of noodling around at the back. The team runs in NASCAR, NASCAR 2, ALMS, IMSA, and IndyCar and does nothing in all of them. It looks like the team is spread too thin and is a jack of all trades and master of none.

 

[Rollo75]

How the NASCAR Charter system works

Michael Jordan and Denny Hamlin have agreed to purchase a Charter, paving the way for a new team’s creation with Bubba Wallace as the driver.

m.nascar.com

Charter teams are held to a minimum performance standard. If a Charter team finishes in the bottom three of the owner standings among all 36 Charter teams for three consecutive years, NASCAR has a right to remove the charter.
- via NASCAR

I should point out that there has always been a matter of fact test for nuff-nuff eejit teams at the bottom.

 

[Zak103tv]

seems fair