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NASCAR Completes First Day of Next Gen Organizational Testing at Charlotte Motor Speedway (credit to RACER.com):

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As NASCAR and its Cup Series teams continue to put the Next Gen car to the test — no pun intended — ahead of the 2022 season, the gremlins appear to be getting ironed out.

One of the issues was a steering rack issue with the car discovered last month during a two-day test on the Charlotte Motor Speedway road course. It prompted NASCAR not only to consult with the teams but use manufacturer resources and those from the sports car world to help find a solution to the vibration. In a return to the Roval last week to make sure it would work, NASCAR added a piece to the return line going back to the reservoir that eliminated the issue.

It’s resulted in a little less stress to start a two-day organizational test on the Charlotte oval this week.

“I don’t know of any reports today of steering issues,” said NASCAR senior vice president for racing innovation John Probst on Wednesday evening. “We’ve had some of ‘it’s too stiff’ or ‘too soft,’ but (the teams) are adjusting that with the torsion bars … but nothing near or even remote to what we had here at the Roval. And then when we did the Roval test, just confirmed that it was fixed on the road course tracks as well.”

Another issue has been a topic of conversation for months. Drivers are not comfortable with the heat inside the car’s cockpit, so NASCAR has been working through different designs to help the airflow better.

Many of the problems centered on the air that came from the hood exhausts being sucked back into the cockpit. Among the changes to get the air moving around the car and the driver is a Lexan piece next to the window net to deflect air from the window. There were also changes with some undertray pieces, and some cars are running shorter exhaust pipes.

A significant change was putting slots in the rear windshield, which gets a lot of air through the cabin. However, there’s also been an unintended consequence of those slots that NASCAR will work on during Thursday’s test.

“(It) adds a lot of drag to the car, so overnight, we’ll be going to a shorter spoiler,” said Probst. “We kind of knew that was going to be a potential issue coming in here, but we wanted to get the first day, evaluate the magnitude of changes. And it’s obviously a cool day, so I don’t think we were going to have anyone getting out complaining about heat. Right now, we’re relying on the data.”

The spoiler will go from 8 inches to 7 inches. It’s expected to add 30 horsepower to the package (teams are running the 550-horsepower intermediate package).

Wednesday did not go entirely smooth. Austin Dillon wrecked his Richard Childress Racing Chevrolet in a slippery Turn 2 less than 30 minutes into the session. Dillon was uninjured, and Probst categorized it as an “above average impact for the course of the weekend,” and the front bumper crushed the way it was designed to do.


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“We felt like the car performed very well,” said Probst.

Dillon’s car was taken back to the Childress campus for repairs and returned to the track before the end of Wednesday’s session. Dillon got back on track with an hour left in Wednesday’s session.


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There were also spins by Denny Hamlin, Kyle Larson, and one of the Rick Ware Racing cars. Larson spun in the morning getting up to speed on the apron and later in the day in Turn 4. In a video posted on the Hendrick Motorsports official Twitter page, Larson said it was “a little bit of a handful.”

Alex Bowman said the difficulty of driving the Next Gen car by yourself versus the previous car is “way, way harder.” Bowman said drivers could slide it around a little bit, but the line to cross is much narrower before spinning out. He expects drivers will crash more than usual with the Next Gen car because it’s harder to drive.

According to Probst, NASCAR doesn’t want the cars to be easy to drive.

“We’ve always said we want the best drivers running up front,” said Probst. “I think when you look at a lot of the changes what we’ve made with the car, a lot of the side force that used to be in the car is gone, so it’s not as forgiving as it’s been before. You saw some of that this morning; we had a lot of spins. I’m not saying that was all car, but definitely, the cars are a bit edgier.

“I would expect over time as they dial the setups in, that’ll get better. But certainly, with the lack of side force, that will be something they’ll have to get used to with respect to how the car drives and how it recovers, and how when it’s loose, how far you can let it get loose and let it slide and things like that. Which they’ll do.”

Following the Charlotte test, teams will travel to Phoenix for one December 14 and 15 and then one at Daytona on January 11 and 12. Other organizational tests are expected at Las Vegas, Martinsville, and Homestead.


SOURCE: https://racer.com/2021/11/17/nascar...-is-working-through-next-gen-teething-issues/

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More NASCAR Next Gen News & Notes (credit to Jayski, Twitter, and MRN):

Teams Practicing Live Pit Stops with New Single-Lug Goodyear Eagles Thursday

NASCAR Cup Series teams will be allowed to practice live one lug nut pit stops at a racetrack for the first time in the final hour of Thursday’s (Nov. 18) Next Gen test session at Charlotte Motor Speedway. 2022 will mark the first year the Cup Series has used the one lug nut, 18-inch aluminum wheel.

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Teams will be allowed to do pit stop practice from 4p-5p ET tomorrow.

NASCAR Taking 1 Inch Off from Spoiler Height for Second Day of NASCAR Test at Charlotte

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NASCAR will make a spoiler change for Thursday’s Next Gen organizational test, seeking to increase the speed of the cars.

NASCAR will cut the spoiler from 8 inches to 7 inches for Thursday’s session on the Charlotte Motor Speedway oval. The resulting speed change is expected to be the equivalent of adding 30 horsepower.

John Probst, NASCAR senior vice president of racing innovation, said the adjustment will be made to offset a previous change to the car. To counter the increased heat drivers had experienced in the cars, rear window vents were added to increase air circulation through the cockpit. While reducing the extreme heat in the car, the rear window adjustments add drag and slow the car.

NASCAR Next Gen Testing Day One Results (credit to Bob Pockrass on Twitter):

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More Testing Insights from Day One of Next Gen Test at Charlotte Motor Speedway (credit to MRN):

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CONCORD, N.C. — NASCAR held the first portion of its two-day Next Gen organizational test Wednesday at Charlotte Motor Speedway.

There were 18 Cup Series organizations on site with 30 drivers. One- and two-car teams were allowed to field one entry, while three- and four-car teams were limited to two. That did require some drivers to take turns behind the wheel.

For example: Trackhouse Racing is a two-car team, so Daniel Suarez and Ross Chastain split time in the No. 1 Chevrolet. Stewart-Haas Racing is a four-car team, so Kevin Harvick and Chase Briscoe shared the No. 4 Ford, while Aric Almirola and Cole Custer took turns in the No. 10.

“You saw a lot of the smaller teams actually up the leaderboard a good bit there,” said John Probst, NASCAR‘s senior vice president of racing innovation. “I know not everybody‘s coming here to put a lap time up. But you see the teams from front to back are a lot more prepared and they’re on the track right away. So, I feel like they’re learning very quickly and their level of preparation has gone way up, especially now that we’re done racing. They’re completely focused on the car at this point.

“I would expect Phoenix to be the next evolution of the preparation, and the competition from front to back should be continuing to get better and better.”

The test session lasted from 9 a.m. ET to 8 p.m. ET with a one-hour break. Thursday will be a bit shorter, going from 8 a.m. ET to 5 p.m. ET. It will also stream live on
NASCAR.com‘s YouTube starting at 9 a.m. ET.

This two-day test marks the 16th overall since its first on Oct. 8-9, 2019 — production was delayed a season due to the COVID-19 pandemic. It‘s the second organizational test; the first was earlier this year on Oct. 11-12 on Charlotte‘s 2.32-mile road course rather than the 1.5-mile oval.

“I feel like there’s been good, steady progress with some of the gremlins in the steering, some of the gremlins in the transaxle and then just standard suspension settings,” said Kurt Busch, who has driven the Next Gen car before, but Wednesday marked his first on-track time with 23XI Racing. “Those are all getting a bit more scienced out. It was like we were on the moon before and now we’ve landed on planet Earth. And now it’s up to each team to individually tailor the cars to make themselves better.

“Then we have to see how the cars will do in traffic still, I still think that’s going to be an interesting game.”

There was no pack racing Wednesday, though the idea was tossed around for Thursday. The last hour of Thursday will be dedicated to pit practice, a Next Gen first. NASCAR will also make a spoiler change for Thursday’s session — cutting the spoiler from eight inches to seven inches and that is expected to add 30 horsepower and increase the speed of the cars.

NASCAR has two more organizational tests scheduled for the offseason. Up next is Phoenix Raceway, a 1-mile circuit, Dec. 14-15. Then, Daytona International Speedway‘s 2.5-mile high banks will see teams Jan. 11-12. Additional venues and dates have not been confirmed but are in the works.

The Next Gen cars will make their competitive debut Feb. 6 in the 2022 Busch Light Clash at the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum.

“This entire car from top to bottom — for everybody that‘s working on it, for all the drivers, for everybody that‘s building the parts and pieces — it‘s a new challenge,” Alex Bowman said. “There are so many things on it different than what we had. It‘s very challenging.

“The old car was really fun because how aggressively hard you could drive it. This car, you can‘t drive it as hard I don‘t feel like, or at least I‘m not comfortable with it yet. But learning where those limits are — how hard you can or can‘t drive it — is going to be a challenge. I‘m enjoying trying to figure it out.”


SOURCE: https://www.mrn.com/2021/11/17/nascar-completes-day-1-of-next-gen-organizational-test-on-charlottes-oval/

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"Alex Bowman said the difficulty of driving the Next Gen car by yourself versus the previous car is “way, way harder.” Bowman said drivers could slide it around a little bit, but the line to cross is much narrower before spinning out. He expects drivers will crash more than usual with the Next Gen car because it’s harder to drive."

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Lack of Pack Racing "Not a Concern" with Next Gen Testing at Charlotte Motor Speedway (credit to NASCAR.com):

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CONCORD, N.C. — It’s science, but it’s not complicated.

Most of the two-day Next Gen test that spanned Wednesday and Thursday saw cars run solo around Charlotte Motor Speedway. There were times when multiple cars were on track together, though it never came near the amount that would be seen during an actual race. And that’s OK because drivers can assume what will happen in pack racing.

“I mean, unless we defy physics, the guy out front is gonna have an advantage,” Chase Elliott said Thursday. “So, if somebody figures out how to defy physics, please let me know. I’d love to meet you. But until somebody figures that out, the front person is always gonna have an advantage. And I don’t think it matters how many aero ducts and parts and pieces we put on these things, it’s never going to give the guy in second an advantage over the guy out front.


The important part of testing right now is learning the Next Gen ins and outs, and there’s a lot of that left to do. Simply put, it’s a different car. The basics need to be handled before a complete product is even close to ready.

Regardless, people outside of the garage want to know what live-action racing is going to look like.

“It’s not instant, it’s not instant gratification, it’s not posted and get the reward of it,” Ross Chastain said. “Like it’s gonna take some time. We’re building this thing. So, truly, I know as hard as it is in 2021 going into 2022 of this world, that question is not ready to be answered yet.”

Chastain actually ran laps behind another driver, too. His No. 1 Trackhouse Racing Chevrolet trailed William Byron’s No. 24 Hendrick Motorsports Chevrolet in Thursday’s first half of on-track work. The two traded spots. Chastain noted Byron had more success following than he personally did. Chastain felt tight in turns, but it was worse when behind Byron.

Teams later appeared to plan when to hit the track together.

“Whatever area of the corner you’re most vulnerable in is going to be more uncomfortable than it was when you were by yourself,” Elliott said. “That’s typically the case most everywhere we go in anything I’ve ever driven, so I don’t expect that to be much different.

“The other piece of that is, how many of these things do we want to tear up before we get to Daytona? Because I don’t think everybody has just an abundance of these cars and/or parts sitting around. So, we need to weigh out what’s important right now.”

Daytona International Speedway will host the 2022 points-paying season opener Feb. 20. There will be three exhibition events before then, two of which — Bluegreen Vacations Duel 1 and 2 — will be held in Daytona. Next Gen’s official debut, however, will be Feb. 6 in the Busch Light Clash at the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum.

That’s when the real racing will begin.

“We know dirty air,” Chastain said. “Like dirty air existed since the second car got built in the world. So, we just have to do a better job. NASCAR knows that, and they’re working on it.”


SOURCE: https://www.nascar.com/news-media/2...k-racing-not-a-concern-with-next-gen-testing/

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Teams Get First Taste of Single-Lug Pit Stops with Next Gen Car at Charlotte Motor Speedway (credit to NASCAR.com):

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CONCORD, N.C. — Pit-crew members’ muscle memory can remain intact for the Next Gen, mostly.

Instead of removing and fastening five lug nuts, tire changers will only have to worry about one per round. That will be the biggest difference with live stops in 2022. It changes the flow a little bit but helps with the overall speed.


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Teams had their first chance at Next Gen pit practice Thursday during the second day of testing at Charlotte Motor Speedway. NASCAR granted them an hour at the end of the eight-hour open-track session.

Of the 22 cars on site, 11 asked for a stall. Only four actually took advantage of the opportunity — the No. 3 Richard Childress Racing Chevrolet of Austin Dillon, the No. 7 Spire Motorsports Chevrolet of Corey LaJoie, the No. 9 Hendrick Motorsports Chevrolet of Chase Elliott and the No. 24 Hendrick Motorsports Chevrolet of William Byron. Internal team personnel did rotate.

“It seems like the guys are enjoying working with it,” Elliott said. “You’re not having five lug nuts to take off and put on in the garage area constantly and things of that nature. So, overall, I think it’s been a plus.”

Thomas did note because of the single lug nut, the
new air guns weigh more.

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What doesn’t, though, are the tires. They are now 18 inches rather than 15. The wheel is also aluminum rather than steel.

“It helps our bodies,” Thomas said. “The tires aren’t as heavy. It helps us to get it off quicker. It’s an upgrade, we think, in our score.”

That’s one opinion. Odds are, there will be multiple and different viewpoints. That’s inevitable with change.

But Justin Alexander, crew chief of the No. 3 team, doesn’t expect his job to change all that much atop the pit box, either. Just learning and adapting what calls to make.

“Any adjustment you do to the car slows the stops down typically, and the more you adjust, the more the stops are slowed down,” he said. “It makes those things more critical. You’re obviously not gonna want to tune on the car, adjust on the car as much, but sometimes you have to.

“And it’ll make fuel flow — fueling the car will probably be the holdup at some point — critical if you’re trying to put two cans of fuel in.”

NASCAR has two more organizational tests scheduled for the offseason. Phoenix Raceway is up next (Dec. 14-15) and then there’s Daytona International Speedway (Jan. 11-12). Additional tracks and dates are being discussed but not confirmed.

Teams are allowed to practice pit stops at their shops, though. Next Gen cars will make their competitive debut Feb. 6 in the 2022 Busch Light Clash at the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum.

“It’s faster,” Thomas said. “Everything’s got to be quicker. Everyone’s got to be quicker on pit road. Whoever can figure out how to shave off two tenths, even one tenth of a second, that’s going to be tremendous.”


SOURCE: https://www.nascar.com/news-media/2...k-pit-practice-everythings-got-to-be-quicker/

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NASCAR Next Gen Testing at Charlotte Motor Speedway - Day 2 Results (credit to Bob Pockrass on Twitter):

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Thanks for the videos - The cars look slow, can't wait to see what Kyle Busch says about the new car (he hasn't driven one yet) and it looks like passing will be a challenge.
 
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Nothing means anything to me until they run at Daytona in February, the LA Coliseum show won't tell me a thing, lol these testing interviews with drivers driving unfinished cars is just press to keep folks talking about NASCAR its hype
 
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Second NASCAR Next Gen Organizational Test Being Held on Wednesday and Friday at Charlotte Motor Speedway (credit to MRN):

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Testing of Next Gen cars for the 2022 NASCAR Cup Series returns this week to Charlotte Motor Speedway and NASCAR.com will provide coverage with live video streaming scheduled both days.

Cup Series organizations are set to turn laps on the 1.5-mile oval layout, with sessions scheduled Wednesday and Friday from 8 a.m. to 4 p.m. ET each day. The two days of testing mark the latest step in preparations for the new model’s debut next season.

Fans can set reminders to watch both test days of Next Gen testing here:


The Next Gen car is set to hit the track Sunday, Feb. 6 (6 p.m. ET) in the Busch Light Clash at The Coliseum exhibition in Los Angeles, two weeks ahead of its points-paying debut in the season-opening Daytona 500 on Feb. 20 (2:30 p.m. ET). Both events will be broadcast on FOX, MRN Radio and SiriusXM NASCAR Radio.

SOURCE: https://www.mrn.com/2021/12/13/tune...esting-scheduled-this-week-on-charlotte-oval/

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NASCAR Tests Multiple Horsepower/Aerodynamic Packages During Day One of Next Gen Testing at Charlotte Motor Speedway (credit to MRN):

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CONCORD, N.C. — NASCAR worked through multiple changes to the Next Gen car Wednesday during the first run of its two-day organizational test at Charlotte Motor Speedway.

The eight-hour session, which began at 8 a.m. ET and ended at 4 p.m. ET, broke up into three mini sessions, each with a different aero/engine configuration. The first featured a 550-horsepower engine with a seven-inch spoiler. The second was a 670-horsepower engine with a six-inch spoiler. The third and final remained the same, but the spoiler was offset to the passenger side.

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Consistent across the packages, but new to Next Gen testing overall, were splitter stuffers, engine panel strakes and rear diffuser skirts. According to NASCAR, the purpose of these additions is to help with predictability in traffic. And unlike last time, there were actually on-track periods scheduled specifically for pack racing with each configuration.

Twenty-two drivers and 14 teams were listed on the roster provided by NASCAR.

Todd Gilliland made his top-dog introduction Wednesday, driving the No. 38 Front Row Motorsports Ford. Gilliland had never tested a Next Gen car before, neither had he ever raced at the NASCAR Cup Series level. His move up from the NASCAR Camping World Truck Series was inked back in late November.

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“There are so many differences — the shifting, the steering,” Gilliland told NASCAR.com. “Just so many technical things that are different. But it‘s been really relieving to me that no, it‘s still a race car. After making my first laps, it‘s not too different driving wise than what we‘ve done before. So, I‘m just really excited to continue on testing throughout the day and on Friday, build my notebook as much as possible and get a ton of laps under my belt.”

Another breakthrough appearance: Justin Haley‘s No. 31 Kaulig Racing Chevrolet. His new full-time number had not yet been revealed. Haley previously tested the No. 16 Chevy, which the team announced Tuesday will be shared by three part-time drivers in 2022 — Noah Gragson, Daniel Hemric and AJ Allmendinger.

Drivers were not made available to the media Wednesday.

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Teams will return to the 1.5-mile oval Friday for their second day of testing, again from 8 a.m. ET to 4 p.m. ET. By that point, NASCAR will have taken feedback from Wednesday and decided on one configuration to run for the entirety of the eight-hour block.

The Next Gen car will make its first public outing Feb. 6 (6 p.m. ET) with the Busch Light Clash at The Coliseum exhibition in Los Angeles. Its points-paying debut will be two weeks later in Florida with the 2022 Daytona 500 on Feb. 20 (2:30 p.m. ET). Both events will be broadcast on FOX, MRN and SiriusXM NASCAR Radio.

SOURCE: https://www.mrn.com/2021/12/15/nasc...rations-in-latest-next-gen-test-at-charlotte/

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Ok... Still not a fan so far of the New Car, But the new Paint Schemes are growing on me... Just saying.. :)
 

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NASCAR Next Gen Testing at Charlotte Motor Speedway Unofficial Day One Results (credit to MRN):

  1. 1. #12 Ryan Blaney - 29.668 Seconds, 182.014 MPH (Team Penske)
  2. 2. #99 Ross Chastain - 29.671 Seconds, 181.996 MPH (Trackhouse Racing)
  3. 3. #45 Kurt Busch - 29.831 Seconds, 181.020 MPH (23XI Racing)
  4. 4. #9 Alex Bowman - 29.839 Seconds, 180.971 MPH (Hendrick Motorsports)
  5. 5. #8 Tyler Reddick - 29.848 Seconds, 180.917 MPH (Richard Childress Racing)
  6. 6. #24 William Byron - 29.851 Seconds, 180.898 MPH (Hendrick Motorsports)
  7. 7. #47 Ricky Stenhouse Jr. - 29.851 Seconds, 180.898 MPH (JTG Daugherty Racing)
  8. 8. #19 Martin Truex Jr - 29.936 Seconds, 180.385 MPH (Joe Gibbs Racing)
  9. 9. #6 Brad Keselowski - 29.973 Seconds, 180.162 MPH (Roush Fenway Keselowski Racing)
  10. 10. #10 Aric Almirola - 29.984 Seconds, 180.096 MPH (Stewart-Haas Racing)
  11. 11. #42 Erik Jones - 30.022 Seconds, 179.868 MPH (Petty GMS Racing)
  12. 12. #18 Kyle Busch - 30.053 Seconds, 179.683 MPH (Joe Gibbs Racing)
  13. 13. #7 Corey LaJoie - 30.059 Seconds, 179.647 MPH (Spire Motorsports)
  14. 14. #31 Daniel Hemric - 30.096 Seconds, 179.426 MPH (Kaulig Racing)
  15. 15. #2 Austin Cindric - 30.161 Seconds, 179.039 MPH (Team Penske)
  16. 16. #14 Chase Briscoe - 30.327 Seconds, 178.059 MPH (Stewart-Haas Racing)
  17. 17. #21 Harrison Burton - 30.336 Seconds, 178.006 MPH (Wood Brothers Racing)
  18. 18. #38 Todd Gilliland - 30.370 Seconds, 177.807 MPH (Front Row Motorsports)
SOURCE: https://www.mrn.com/2021/12/16/unofficial-speeds-dec-next-gen-test/

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NASCAR Ditches 550HP Package for Cup Series, Will Run 670HP Package for All Tracks Outside of Superspeedways and Atlanta Motor Speedway in 2022 (credit to RACER):

During the final day of Next Gen testing at Charlotte Motor Speedway, NASCAR announced a horsepower change for the 2022 Cup Series.

NASCAR senior vice president and chief racing development officer Steve O’Donnell said teams would likely run 670hp engines at all tracks next season except for the superspeedways of Daytona International Speedway and Talladega Superspeedway. It may also run at Atlanta Motor Speedway, which is undergoing a reprofile and repave.

“I would say we’re more than likely going with that number across all of our tracks,” O’Donnell said Friday. “We’ve still got a few boxes to check post-test here where we get together with our (OEMs) and the teams to just confirm that’s the direction we want to go with, but everything we’ve seen so far tells us that’s the horsepower we want to target and go with.”

Cup Series teams have tested three different aero packages this week between 550 and 670 horsepower with varying configurations of the spoiler:


• 550hp with centered seven-inch spoiler
• 670hp with centered six-inch spoiler
• 670hp with a six-inch spoiler offset to the right


Some teams also tested with a shark fin on the rear window. A fourth configuration teams are expected to run Friday afternoon is 670hp with a four-inch centered spoiler.

Officials initially announced plans to run 550hp with an eight-inch spoiler at the intermediate tracks and 670hp with a four-inch spoiler at the road courses. Drivers have been advocating for more horsepower with the Next Gen car.

Ryan Blaney for Team Penske ran a top speed of 182.014mph during Wednesday’s test session on the Charlotte oval. Friday’s session will again be from 8 a.m. to 4 p.m. ET.

NASCAR plans to group cars together during portions of the day to simulate racing in traffic. There are 18 teams participating in the test.

Officials will also debrief with drivers Friday afternoon around the 2022 rules package.


SOURCE: https://racer.com/2021/12/17/nascar-set-for-670hp-at-most-tracks-for-2022/

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