Nascar's point system: does it need to change?

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should Nascar change it's point standing system?

  • yes

    Votes: 7 87.5%
  • no

    Votes: 1 12.5%

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Joshua thompson

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After the events of This past weekend (at the time of this writing) where Harvick got booted from the chase dispute having a lot of wins, I want to ask you guys if you feel the points system should change.

Personally, I really would like to see Nascar either go back to the old points system or go back to the chase. Nascar's current points system has really been what's kept me out of truly enjoying the sport. I don't get why Nascar needs to have a win and your in concept, or one that elminates people from the chase if they have a bad race. It feels more like a sports bracket for basketball or baseball then one for a motorsport.

Dispute what Nascar Youtuber the iceberg has stated, I still think Nascar should return to the old format before the chase. Yes, I know it gets a lot of heat because Matt Kenseth won the championship win one win, but the points system was simple. Drivers get this many points, some bonus points for most laps lead, and the driver with the most wins the cup.

Maybe it's just me, but I feel any sport (weather stick and ball or motorsport) should have a simple and easy to understand points system. But what do you guys think. Am I making a mountain out of an ant hill or should Nascar seriously consider changing up the points system to something else.
 

Rollo75

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No.
If I was Grand Poohbah and Lord High Everything Else then I'd have the whole series as follows:

- All races would either be 300 or 250 miles long apart from the four crown jewels.
- Points: 20-17-15-12-10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1
- 1 Point for pole position, 1 for leading a lap, 1 point for leading the most laps

For the 500/600 mile races:
- Points: 40-35-30-25-20-17-15-12-10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1
- 1 Point for pole position, 1 for leading a lap, 1 point for leading the most laps

No stages, no playoffs. Most points at the end of the season wins.
And if you can actually do what Matt Crafton did by going through a season and not win a race but still win the championship, then good luck to you.

I live in Australia where they have a finals series after a regular season in a bunch of sports and I find them all just as absurd. In 2016 the Western Bulldogs won the flag after finishing 7th in the regular season in Australian Rules Football. That's dumb.
 
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Rollo75

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No.
Just on a Points 20-17-15-12-10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 basis.

337 Kevin Harvick
302 Denny Hamlin
267 Martin Truex Jr.
265 Chase Elliott
259 Brad Keselowski
244 Kyle Busch
236 Joey Logano
145 Alex Bowman

Curiously:
17 - Kyle Larson
12 - David Ragan
11 - Brendan Gaughan
6 - Kaz Grala
2 - Justin Haley

nil - Daniel Suárez
 

creativemg

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personally i feel it should go back to a non-chase series. drivers need motivation to win each and every race and it does no good if you win races during the season then get punted because you have bad luck in the elimination format.
it isnt doing anything for the ratings as nbcsn will be closing after the olympics and their nascar contract also ends in 2021. daytona 500 figures were down so with the economic turndown going on all over the world nascar may have trouble selling its product.
its still to be decided if indycar and other motorsports nbcsn currently show will go behind the paywall on peacock.
 

Cola83

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The Rounds of 16 - 12 and 8 only add drama.

The Stages would no longer be needed if the Rounds were done anyway with...and all they do is add more drama and give cars a chance to pass one another for the lead... I know it's a mute point, but passing for the lead is harder with that big spoiler and especially when they run the low HP engine.

So do you want Drama ? or Crown a Champion with 1 to 2 races left on the schedule.. :)
 

Joshua thompson

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The Rounds of 16 - 12 and 8 only add drama.

The Stages would no longer be needed if the Rounds were done anyway with...and all they do is add more drama and give cars a chance to pass one another for the lead... I know it's a mute point, but passing for the lead is harder with that big spoiler and especially when they run the low HP engine.

So do you want Drama ? or Crown a Champion with 1 to 2 races left on the schedule.. :)
The thing is the old points system would come off as dramatic at times. There would be times when someone is close to winning the chase, but maybe had a bad finish or crashed in a race, and Homestead (or whatever the last race was) was there last chance to really get back on top.
 

Rollo75

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No.
The Rounds of 16 - 12 and 8 only add drama.

...

So do you want Drama ? or Crown a Champion with 1 to 2 races left on the schedule.. :)

They don't though do they though?
In theory someone can win early, noodle around for 20 races, then win enough of the last few to claim a title.

Is that drama or just creating a bunch of dead rubbers until Round 27?
 

Cola83

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They don't though do they though?
In theory someone can win early, noodle around for 20 races, then win enough of the last few to claim a title.

Is that drama or just creating a bunch of dead rubbers until Round 27?

The Drama is when in the final race of a round, does a Driver advance to the next round or the Championship final 4.... :)
 

Cola83

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The thing is the old points system would come off as dramatic at times. There would be times when someone is close to winning the chase, but maybe had a bad finish or crashed in a race, and Homestead (or whatever the last race was) was there last chance to really get back on top.

Not unless you can pass to car in front of you...
 

Rollo75

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No.
The Drama is when in the final race of a round, does a Driver advance to the next round or the Championship final 4.... :)

I have a Blackpool FC scarf which reads:
Division 3 Playoff Winners 2001.

It's kind of hilarious that that kind of mediocrity should be celebrated but it's hardly the sort of thing that should entitle you to win cups or championships.


If someone has won on opening weekend, then potentially they don't have to do a thing for another 28 races; until September.
In fact, you can noodle about like a drongo for all but five races in a year and still win the title.
 
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JMurrayMO81

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The big problem is that they are trying to recreate the 1992 championship every year. They've only done that once basically and that was in 2011 with Stewart and Edwards. So in 28 years we've only had that scenario come up once and that one time was not under the current format.

What made those two years work was the points. In 1992, Kulwicki had to lead more laps then Bill Elliott. In 2011, they tied and it came down to a tiebreaker. Either way, those can't happen anymore. We don't give points for leading laps and because it's the highest finishing driver of 4 drivers in the final race you're not going to see a tie.

They took a stick and ball sports approach to the championship. The problem with that is that racing is different then other sports. If a player gets hurt in football, you can put another player in and still go out and win. The racing equivalent of that is if a part breaks or the driver is caught up in a wreck and if that's the case you can't just go back out there. You're at much worse of a disadvantage then a team is using a backup player. Collecting points helped to offset that disadvantage but because points aren't carried over into the finale it purely comes down to luck.

This is why the original chase system was probably the best in determining the champion. Because it was a simple reset for the top drivers and still allowed the championship to be determined by points. The later chase versions (the ones before the current) still allowed that to some extent but they started favoring winning too much.
 

creativemg

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announced today nbcsn to close end of the year. no news of if they are renewing their nascar contract but if they do i think peacock or usa network will show races
 
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