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Rollo75

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No.
Rick Ware Motorsports.

That last word is not credible.

You're like the inflatable boy, in an inflatable world, who went to an inflatable school, and then went mad with a needle.
You've let your school down, you've let your teachers down, you've let your family down, you've let your friends down, but worst of all you're letting yourself down.
C'mon people, play properly.
 

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No.
I still say NASCAR needs to get rid of the 550 HP low down force package...

Darlington has more or less proved that the amount of horsepower 550-750 is irrelevant.
The setup for Darlington was supposedly a 750/low downforce package; which is what every one was crying out for and it was non discernible to any other package.

I think that we've proven by experiment now that only the downforce makes a difference, that the high spoiler only matters insofar as much as keeping the tail steady, and that the mechanical grip and front end aero to do with the splitter is what counts.
 
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I'm not so sure if you are totally correct... with higher HP is more speed, more speed means driving harder into the corners, harder into to corners eats more rubber, less rubber needs handling and driver ability to stay up front.
 
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No.
Physics tells us that: KE½mv²

v² tells us that velocity is a squared function; which means that HP increases to chase a few mph need to be massive. This is not a purely linear correlation.

The big problem I have is lack of data. On to of this, actual races are so different that it is really hardd to ascribe the quality of a race to the difference in package.

Certainly as a dum dum, I couldn't tell any difference.
 

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Physics tells us that: KE½mv²

v² tells us that velocity is a squared function; which means that HP increases to chase a few mph need to be massive. This is not a purely linear correlation.

The big problem I have is lack of data. On to of this, actual races are so different that it is really hardd to ascribe the quality of a race to the difference in package.

Certainly as a dum dum, I couldn't tell any difference.
You A dum dum ??? Not hardly - With all of the witty and interesting things you write here a Stunodracing !! You have a Lot of smarts. :)
 

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No.

Data is wonderful

Fastest lap - 2019 - 550hp - high downforce package - 29.415s
Fastest lap - 2021 - 750hp - low downforce package - 29.215s

The difference is 0.2 seconds
The difference is 1.1444mph
The difference is just on 7 ft

HP increases to chase a few mph need to be massive.

200 extra horsepower for 1mph and 0.2 of a second scarcely seems worth the effort to me.
 

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No.
COTA

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COTA is fine for bikes and F1 cars but not stock cars (or V8 Supercars).
Long sweepy things is what makes Bathurst, Sandown, and Watkins Glen good.

COTA doesn't work with big things because of Newton's first law of motion.
 

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I listen to NASCAR XM radio almost every day, from what I hear Dave Moody saying, and I have to concur, the stages and other changes they have made since "the old days" have made the racing much closer...I do like the idea of having them NOT have the yellow thrown at the end of the stages, but again, it would only serve the leader.

So my 1 thing would be the charters. nothing wrong with 40+ cars on the grid...
 

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For the 2021 season, I would have done no charters with Knockout Qualifying. That being there would be anyone above the 36th in the points would automatically be in the race and anyone below would have to qualify in, but there would still be normal qualifying.
 

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I would make the cars grip level more realistic so you could feel it in the wheel like rFactor
 

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No.
Ban pushing.

Cars pushing each other results in weird forces being pushed through the car in front; causing it to jackknife and then turn sideways, thus starting big ones.

Tearing up entire fields of cars is stupid. 8 seconds of spark and flame leads to many multiples of this, just standing around waiting for the inevitable clean up. And it's unnecessarily expensive.
 

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Ban pushing.

Cars pushing each other results in weird forces being pushed through the car in front; causing it to jackknife and then turn sideways, thus starting big ones.

Tearing up entire fields of cars is stupid. 8 seconds of spark and flame leads to many multiples of this, just standing around waiting for the inevitable clean up. And it's unnecessarily expensive.
The Xfinity and Truck series have(or had) a rule against locking bumpers, but as usual as most NASCAR rules go, they are/were consistently inconsistent. Even then, it would be hard to truly keep track of a cars proximity to another's bumper, and pushing has been long part of plate racing.

The wreckfests are not due to pushing alone, but drivers being way to aggressive and risky, throwing stupid blocks and shooting gaps that were never going to work. Back in the 90's 2000's they pushed and leaned, but were smarter about it. While the big one has always been a part of plate racing, it really has been the last 10 years that these ridiculous pileups have become the norm, and grown to comical levels.
 

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Would it be hard?

Simple piezoelectric switch in the bumpers would tell the officials for how long a car was being pushed/pushing for.
 
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To fix Cars from pushing is to break up pack racing... and to do that, make the cars harder to drive, get rid of that BIG spoiler, increase height on front splitter - BUT this is all going to change with the next Gen Car.. Maybe ??
 

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Reformat Playoff:
- no more "you win, you're in": playoff has to be based on regular season standings - Top 16 drivers are in. I do not understand how a driver 23th in standings but who "only" won at Daytona, where luck plays a major role, can be in playoff;
- increase win/stages regular bonus points: A driver who won one/two stages, then crashed and finish 34th cannot be awarded as a driver who run all race long 34th. For example: 10 bonus points per win, 5 per stage win.

(or just suppress the playoff... and come back in full regular season)
 
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Data is wonderful

Fastest lap - 2019 - 550hp - high downforce package - 29.415s
Fastest lap - 2021 - 750hp - low downforce package - 29.215s
2021 Southern 500:
Fastest lap - 2021 - 750hp - low downforce package - 29.711s (Corey La Joie).

The power/downforce package still makes diddly-squat difference here.
 

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